Who is Managing the ET Situation? | Answer Forum

By | June 21, 2023

Hi Everyone,

Tracey and I reviewed some recent questions and this one struck me as something I wanted to dive into right away. Thanks to member Tom McKibbin for the question. 

I have an extended audio response to this but also throw down a bunch of notes below. They roughly correspond to what I had to say. 

RD

Hi Richard,

It’s been an exciting, exhausting couple of weeks in UFOlogy with claims of downed and landed craft, alien bodies, crashes, and little to no media coverage (surprise, surprise). 

While watching your interview with Steve Bassett I suddenly had a thought that might make for an interesting/speculative Fireside Chat or Q&A answer. 

If we assume that a defence contractor is essentially in charge of the technology and therefore has full records of – potentially – the last 70-80 years with regards to the phenomenon: 

who is managing the *relationship* with the non-human intelligence(s)?

Is there a clandestine group who are in charge of ongoing communication with NHI? Is it likely to be in the remit of the USG, or some black budget SAP with no Congressional oversight? Are there likely to be records (written, photo, video) of our attempts at contact, our interactions, agreements/treaties, and general co-existence with an otherworldly or inter-dimensional species? What is the nature of the relationship? What do we get (besides technology and our lives), and what do they get? Will this ever get out? 

I don’t know, thought it might be something worth talking about, even if it’s all total conjecture. 

Thanks as ever for the great content – you’re the man, Richard. 

Best,
Tom

IF the UFO phenomenon is real, and IF there is genuine knowledge by some U.S. government insiders, and IF there has been black-budget/ special access program work on ET technology over the years, and let’s even throw in the possibility of an alien presence in Earth orbit or even on the Moon that is known to a select few. 

The Mafia Model of Secrecy

I think there is potential merit of seeing the situation the way we see private criminal organizations (Tracey and I just watched the final season of Better Call Saul and also watched all of Breaking Bad, Ozark, and The Sopranos, and as I have often said, my favorite movie is Godfather I), then I think this model has some merit to it. 

IN SUCH A SITUATION, could we expect to see a “mafia” like entity might grow around this knowledge to protect it? Think of the extra-legal structure of something like narco traffickers who have their own hit men and attorneys, or major corporations that literally get away with murder. 

HOW might a transnational criminal enterprise grow up around the matter of UFO secrecy?

How might those individuals who are connected to the USG use such an unofficial group of hit men, etc., to intimidate and scare off other nations and corporations from divulging information about aliens? What office in the USG would be on point for all this? I am thinking that it could well be a “rotating” position of sorts within the CIA but one which is determined by the outside group that holds real power. I suspect these are the people who scared the hell out of President Jimmy Carter in 1977. 

We do have some paper trail and leaks/testimony pointing to lots of USG/military involvement in crash retrievals. They appear to be the operational nexus for all that … but to whom do they report?

I think MJ-12 / Zodiac does exist. 

Post-WWII definitely strongly American. This had to be modified over the years to reflect the changing global realities.

Is there a clandestine group who are in charge of ongoing communication with NHI? Is it likely to be in the remit of the USG, or some black budget SAP with no Congressional oversight? Are there likely to be records (written, photo, video) of our attempts at contact, our interactions, agreements/treaties, and general co-existence with an otherworldly or inter-dimensional species? 

Assuming the UFO phenomenon is real, and a select few in the U.S. government possess knowledge of extraterrestrial technology and presence, a powerful and secretive criminal organization could arise to protect this information. Let’s call this organization MJ-12 or Zodiac 

Formation of Zodiac

Zodiac might have had its origins as early as the aftermath of the Cape Girardeau incident of 1941 or possibly earlier. You have a situation in which a group of high-ranking military officials, scientists, and political figures realized the immense power that such knowledge could provide if kept secret. They formed a covert organization dedicated to protecting the truth about extraterrestrial life and technology. 

Structure and Operations of Zodiac

Zodiac would operate as a transnational criminal enterprise, with members from various countries and backgrounds. Its structure would resemble that of a mafia or drug cartel, with a hierarchy of leadership and specialized operatives dedicated to specific tasks. The organization would be funded through black-budget programs and possibly even illegal activities such as arms and drug trafficking.

Key members of Zodiac probably include:

1. The Inner Circle: A group of influential individuals who hold the highest positions in the organization. They would be responsible for making strategic decisions and overseeing all operations.

2. Scientists and Engineers: A team of experts tasked with studying and reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology. They would work in secret laboratories, hidden from the public eye.

3. Enforcers: Highly trained operatives responsible for maintaining secrecy through any means necessary. They would carry out intimidation, surveillance, and even assassinations if required.

4. Public Relations: A group of skilled professionals who manipulate public perception of the UFO phenomenon, using disinformation campaigns and media control to maintain secrecy.

The same basic strategy would work internationally to intimidate other nations and corporations from divulging information about aliens. 

Who is running this?

Zodiac is very likely a formidable force, working in the shadows to maintain the secrecy surrounding extraterrestrial life and technology. Perhaps they will stop at nothing to protect their interests and ensure that the truth remains hidden from the public eye.

But who runs Zodiac? We are in the realm of pure speculation but perhaps we can assume they are the same people who run the other behind-the-scenes power organizations in this world? They are likely members of the CFR — for sure, I would say. They also probably attend the WEF meetings in Davos or at least have their people there — probably some of them just go to the meetings. Same as Bilderberg of course. Trilateral Committee, Bohemian Grove, etc. These are all unofficial but very real loci of power where lasting policies are discussed and decided upon. The UAP/UFO subject MUST fall under the same logic. 

And since we know that one of the key goals of the Bilderberg meetings is for members to INCREASE their wealth and power as a result of their decisions, we can also assume that Zodiac, or whatever this group is called, endeavors to do the same

Is there a clandestine group who are in charge of ongoing communication with NHI? Is it likely to be in the remit of the USG, or some black budget SAP with no Congressional oversight? Are there likely to be records (written, photo, video) of our attempts at contact, our interactions, agreements/treaties, and general co-existence with an otherworldly or inter-dimensional species? What is the nature of the relationship? What do we get (besides technology and our lives), and what do they get? Will this ever get out? 

Yes I think there is, and it’s impossible to imagine such a thing being run out of the White House under any party. Too variable and changeable. We also have no records or even leaks that I am aware of that connects, say, the National Security Council, to the UAP subject. 

But with Wilson Davis notes we have clues, in this case through the DoD through the SAPOC and layers of SAPs nested within, subject to what appears to be occasional oversight but run by private entities/contractors.

But there is a very good chance it may be run out of a USG agency within a SAP, perhaps run out of or monitored by NRO, NSA, CIA, DOE, or multiple offices. 

Do private entities have the real power, even more than the USG? Could be — Kit Green emphatically said as much to me regarding the existence of a secret space program. 

It begs the question of WHO is at the apex? What is the organizational structure? I think it must be both formal and informal, real and unofficial at the same time. “The first rule in keeping secrets is nothing on paper.” 

Final thing to say about “who’s running Zodiac?” might be to wonder about communication and/or collaboration between the top of the human hierarchy and any of these other groups. After all, the colonial model has been important in our own history. I see no reason to exclude the possibility that it exists in relation to the UFO/UAP scenario. 

Special Consideration: Managing Space

Let’s speculate that Zodiac knew about alien bases on the far side of the moon as early as the 1960s or 1970s. Just throwing out that as a what if? If so, you would think they would have had to evolve and adapt their strategies over the decades to maintain the secrecy of this information. Here’s one broad set of possibilities of how they might have acted in response to the changing world and advancements in space exploration:

1960s-1980s: Early Space Programs

During the early years of space exploration, Zodiac could have focused on infiltrating and influencing the major players in space programs, primarily the United States and the Soviet Union. They would have had agents within NASA, the Soviet space program, and other key organizations, making sure that any evidence of alien presence remained hidden.

Would this include airbrushing photos of incriminating evidence, not only from NASA missions but also satellites in Earth and Moon orbit? Something along those lines would have to have been orchestrated. All we can say is that there have been a number of individuals making exactly this claim. 

Zodiac would also conceivably have used its connections to manipulate the goals and priorities of these space programs. I could imagine this would mean steering them away from areas where “bases” have allegedly been detected (far side of the Moon?) and any potential discoveries there. They might also sabotage missions or experiments that could lead to the exposure of compromising data. I keep being reminded by the failed Soviet Phobos mission of 1989. 

1990s: Rise of International Collaboration

By the 1990s, there were other players in the space game. From a Zodiac point of view, this would necessitate greater “international collaboration.” Zodiac would in theory have expanded its network of influence, presumably targeting emerging space programs and organizations such as the European Space Agency, China National Space Administration, the programs of Israel, India, Japan, and others. They would continue to manipulate these programs’ objectives, ensuring that certain areas or realities remained off-limits for exploration.

During this period, Zodiac would also work to discredit any whistleblowers or leaked information regarding the alien presence on the Moon. This could involve orchestrating disinformation campaigns and using their media connections to suppress or ridicule any credible claims. Or even simpler: ensuring that such claims never reached a mainstream audience. 

2000s-Present: Commercialization of Space and New Players

With the rise of private corporations like SpaceX, Blue Origin, BAASS, and others entering the field of space exploration, Zodiac would face new challenges in maintaining the cover-up. They would need to infiltrate these companies and influence their missions, just as they have done with government space programs.

Zodiac would also need to adapt to the growing number of countries with space capabilities, such as India and Japan. They might resort to more aggressive tactics like industrial espionage, sabotage, or even intimidation in order to keep these new players away from the far side of the Moon. I don’t know nearly enough about the history of these other organizations to say anything specific but I think it’s a potentially fruitful area for research. 

In addition, Zodiac would be aware of the increasing capabilities of satellite imaging technology and the potential risk it poses to their secret. Who knows how far they could go in order to preserve themselves? Simple solutions could be more of the same: bribery, threats, blackmail, etc. But perhaps more exotic possibilities such as developing technological means to shield alien bases from detection or creating false satellite data to mislead any curious observers. I don’t know how easy or hard this might be. 

The Need to Adapt

Throughout the decades, Zodiac — or whatever this control group calls themselves — would have to remain highly adaptable and resourceful, constantly evolving to meet the challenges of a changing world and the ever-growing interest in space exploration. Their ultimate goal would always be to maintain the secrecy surrounding the ET presence here on Earth, including the existence of any bases, whether on Earth or elsewhere. I suspect they are not above using any means necessary to protect their interests and keep the truth hidden from the public eye.