“Who Can We Trust?” Interview in Manchester, UK July 2019

By | October 4, 2019

This is an interview I did in July 2019 while in Manchester, UK. I didn’t see this online until now, but it’s already got lots of views and it ought to be posted here! Lots of questions about where we are headed in terms of UFO secrecy, openness, and the direction we are moving as a civilization. And how do we trust the information that comes our way. 

15 thoughts on ““Who Can We Trust?” Interview in Manchester, UK July 2019

  1. Hiero111

    Sometimes context (intelligent questions delivered in a clear manner) amplifies and burnishes quality content. 😉

  2. Kosh

    When it comes to trusting the information we receive, I believe that a good start is looking at the UFO community and remembering who attacked the Adm. Thomas Wilson document. There are certain parties that went out of their way to try and convince everyone it was a hoax. I will never forget how they repeatedly insisted it was full of “red flags” when none existed. Instead, the evidence was overwhelming that it was authentic.

    If Richard Doty is to be believed, there was an active effort by the intelligence community to infiltrate the UFO community and control the narrative. I think it’s likely this is going on to this very day. The Special Access Projects and whatever may remain of MJ-12 probably despise the fact that more and more evidence is accumulating that not only UFOs really do exist, but that there was a long string of crash retrievals and SUCCESSFUL reverse engineering resulting in the production of working anti-gravity vehicles. Since they receive billions of dollars a year in funding, just imagine the confusion they could produce in our community by simply paying a couple dozen AFOSI officers to try and muddy the waters, plant disinformation, and sow conflict. They want us at each other’s throats so our efforts and energy will be wasted attacking each other rather than themselves.

    The central truths that I’m holding onto at this time are as follows:

    1) A wide variety of intelligences are visiting our planet – many of which are probably physical extraterrestrials.
    2) A long series of crash recoveries of intact craft, bodies, and debris did happen.
    3) The funding these projects have received has certainly been gigantic; whoever controls the cover up has been actively involved and not passive.
    4) Successful anti-gravity vehicles have indeed been built.
    5) The nexus and focal point between the government/military and the corporate entities that control the cover up is the Senior Review Group of the Special Access Project Oversight Committee.

    1. Rosanne Losee

      I know this is a tedious question, but it always comes back to haunt me.

      Why the coverup? Why is humanity being deliberately kept in the dark on the existence of alien presence on our planet?

      If the answer is that the powers that be in different powerful nations, are trying to download the schematics to make our own UFOs…well, that is not enough. who gives these people the RIGHT to keep such a dynamic and life-changing piece of information like aliens, in the dark, away from the light of day?

      we Deserve to know, if only because we share this earth with those powers that be.

  3. Kosh

    By the way, here’s a little article I composed that includes a list of Director of Special Programs for OUSDAT that I believe we can “trust” know a lot about the UFO related SAPs.

    Thirteen Overlords of the UFO Special Programs Revealed

    The following is a list of many of the Directors of Special Programs for OUSDAT (Office of the Under Secretary for Defense, Acquisition, and Technology + Logistics) since the early nineties starting with those who Admiral Thomas Wilson interacted with during his attempt to get access to a group of UFO related Special Access Projects. Typically, when an individual is granted the position of Director of Special Programs he is also given multiple other assignments including becoming the Executive Secretary of the Special Access Program Oversight Committee, Director of SAPCO (Special Access Program Coordinating Office) and a member of the Senior Review Group of the SAPOC. My understanding is that the Director of Special Programs for OUSDAT is the member of the Senior Review Group that directly reports to the Under Secretary of Defense. This gives him a unique leadership position.

    On an annual (yearly) basis every Special Access Program, including unacknowledged and “carve outs” or “waved” programs must give a report to the Senior Review Group. Once the SRG is briefed, they will decide what level of information is appropriate for the overall SAPOC to receive during their briefing. This means that if there is any gateway or nexus between the corporate world and the official government/military where UFO related information is transferred, it would be the Senior Review Group and especially the Director of Special Programs for OUSDAT.

    An overview of the information available of the individuals listed below indicate that often the position of Director of Special Programs (and all the other assignments that go along with it) is often granted late in someone’s career – often close to their retirement from the military. Also, quite often, such individuals move on to work in the private sector. Could it be that the stent as Director of Special Programs and the seat on the Senior Review Group is used as sort of a “briefing” on the UFO/ET reality for selected officers that will soon be moving onto the private sector? We know from Tom Delonge of To The Stars Academy that Gen. William Neil McCasland, who had been the Director of Special Programs before being transferred to Wright Patterson AFB, admitted to the reality of the phenomena, crash recoveries, successful reverse engineered anti-gravity technology, and more.

    Although I do not believe that every person on the following list necessarily knows everything about the UFO/ET reality – likely some are better connected than others – their very position would have put them in the absolute top position (beyond even the President of the United States) to learn about every UFO SAP receiving funding from the DOD. Perhaps some are granted extensive tours of reverse engineering laboratories and some are not – there’s no way to know for sure. But if we are curious about who in our government likely has information about what has really been going in since the string of crash recoveries that took place in the nineteen forties and extended into the fifties and possibly beyond, this list is a good starting point.

    My hope is that these individuals – along with others – who hold knowledge that could expose the truth embargo will realize that breaking their oaths in this situation is the most patriotic move they could make. The UFO cover up, despite being protected by the letter of the law, is completely anti-democratic and is an abomination that must come to an end. By withholding such fundamental truths from the population of this planet, mankind has been held ignorant as to their place in a universe filled with life, our civilization has been kept in a technological dark age, and the spirit of our constitution has been subverted by a tiny minority that feel they have a right to keep elected officials out of the loop. Only bold, risky, and courageous acts by those in the know can change this dismal situation. Otherwise, the Constitution of the United States of America should have been burnt and shredded when the decision was made – in the name of secrecy – to subvert the values our nation was founded upon. The oligarchy must end; the directors of the black world must act!

    NOTE 1: There’s at least one major time gap in this list between September 2001 and February 2006.)

    NOTE 2: Use the following link to look for the Under Secretary of Defense and Secretary of Defense for each time period.


    (Document relevant to this list that goes into detail about how DoD officials end up working for the private sector.)


    The Thirteen Overlords


    1) BRIGADIER GENERAL RALPH H. GRAHAM 1992 – 1993 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/106922/brigadier-general-ralph-h-graham/

    2) MAJOR GENERAL MICHAEL C. KOSTELNIK June 1994 to September 1995 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/106489/major-general-michael-c-kostelnik/

    3) MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM F. MOORE December 1995 – September 1998 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/106189/major-general-william-f-moore/

    4) MAJOR GENERAL MARSHAL WARD September 1998 – September 2001 (At least until this date.) https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/105297/major-general-h-marshal-ward/ https://media.defense.gov/2013/Mar/26/2001329981/-1/-1/0/AFD-130326-010.pdf

    (There is a gap between September 2001 and February 2006. I have not been able to find information on who served during this time period as Director of Special Programs.)

    5) MAJOR GENERAL PAUL G. SCHAFER February 2006 – July 2008 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/104703/major-general-paul-g-schafer/

    6) LIEUTENANT GENERAL CD MOORE July 2008 – June 2009 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/107967/lieutenant-general-cd-moore-ii/

    7) MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM NEIL MCCASLAND June 2009 – May 2011 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/104776/major-general-william-n-mccasland/

    *Please note that Gen. William McCasland is/was Tom Delonge’s first adviser who helped organize his team and admitted to him that Roswell and crash recoveries happened.

    8) MAJOR GENERAL THOMAS J. MASIELLO MAY 2011 – 2013 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108071/major-general-thomas-j-masiello/

    9) BRIGADIER GENERAL RICHARD S. STAPP July 2013 – November 2014 http://investor.northropgrumman.com/news-releases/news-release-details/retired-brig-gen-richard-s-stapp-appointed-vice-president https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108685/brigadier-general-richard-s-stapp/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-stapp-4986b35

    10) BRIGADIER GENERAL DAVID B. BEEN March 2015 – August 2016 https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108867/brigadier-general-david-b-been/

    11) MAJOR GENERAL JOHN P. HORNER July 2016 – May 2018 https://fastrope.wildapricot.org/Industry-to-Industry-Forum/6147874 https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/823445/general-officer-assignments/source/GovDelivery/ https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108713/major-general-john-p-horner/

    12) MAJOR GENERAL DAWN DUNLOP 2018 – May 2019 https://www.linkedin.com/in/dd1522 https://www.afcea.org/content/dunlop-assigned-office-secretary-defense https://www.afmc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1790130/former-412th-test-wing-commander-embodies-captain-marvel-spirit/

    13) AF COLONEL BRUCE MONROE May 2019 – (DUNLOP’S Interim Replacement) https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2019/06/10/two-star-fired-from-running-top-secret-program-office-under-multiple-ig-investigations/

    1. Espen Brandshaug


      Richard & Co frequently states they’re impressed with the “high quality knowledge members” of the website.
      I surely and truly agree, in witch your comment(lecture rather!) is the perfect positive example. Impressively thorough, well done! 👍🏼


  4. Capt. Kent Brashear

    Richard, I can’t find the Hal Putoff lecture you are speaking about. Please post it on your site or at least post the link.

    Thanks, Kent

  5. Peter Squire

    Great interview as always Richard. I do disagree with you on the Apollo moon landings though. There is reams of evidence to suggest they did not go. NASA as an organisation are so corrupted, they simply cannot be trusted. Apollo 13 was a con on the public just to get the apollo missions back in the news… Apollo moon landing photos are faked and the astronauts would have ended up like KFC after going through the Van Allen radiation belt.


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