My Early References to the Wilson Affair, 2006-2018

By | July 27, 2020

It occurred to me that although I have mentioned many times that I first encountered the notes by Eric Davis regarding his meeting with Admiral Thomas Wilson in 2006, I have never bothered until now to collect all the instances in which I discussed the matter. The intreped researcher Giuliano Marinkovic prepared a fantastic research document entitled Forsaken Poseiden, in which he details over 193 pages all the many instances in which researchers, including myself, have referred to the Wilson saga, all before the Davis notes leaked to the world in June 2019. I have a personal copy, but I am not sure if the document is available on the web. That said, Giuliano could not possibly find all the references I have made to the Wilson story, so I decided to put it together here. 

I have included a series of screenshots and visuals to help. 

It turns out that while I have typically said I was first shown the document in November 2006, a review of my own words from 2007 and 2008 show clearly that I first spoke about the Wilson affair publicly in November 2006, and had spoken to Wilson in October 2006 (not November, as I had thought). As for nailing down the exact date of when I was shown the two or three pages, I will need to do some calendar digging, but for certain it is 2006. I have always said it was before Steven Greer’s book, Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, appeared, but it could be that it was before I knew the book was out. I may have some challenges going through my travel schedule for 2006, but I think I can narrow the meeting down to reasonable satisfaction. 

In any case, earlier today I searched through my Presentations folder on my computer, searching for “Wilson” in that folder. Since I keep all of my old lectures fairly well organized, I realized it would be a good idea to find my first lecture in which I mention him. 

What’s a bit surprising is how often I did so between 2006 and 2008. In terms of lectures, I delivered thirteen lectures during those years that told the Wilson story, as I understood it back then. 

During those years, my knowledge of what had happened was much more simplified than what it is now. As many will remember, when I met with my source in 2006, I learned about Wilson’s failed attempt to gain access to an ET-related black budget program mostly through the words of the man explaining it to me, but also by reading a few pages of the key part of Davis’s notes, in which Wilson describes that the material being studied “was not of this Earth — not made by man — not by human hands.” 

There was much that I did not know, including (initially) the identity of Wilson and (right up until 2019) the knowledge that Davis was the author of the notes. I only had the barebones, but fundamentally still correct, version of the story. 

One thing that is important to emphasize is that in all of the early references I made to the meeting of Wilson and the “gatekeepers,” I never once stated that I saw a written transcript of the meeting. Not until my interview with Jimmy Church in December 2018 did I mention a transcript. At that time I spoke with Jimmy, I still had no idea that anyone would ever know about those notes, and I had not a clue that Grant Cameron had a complete leaked copy in his possession.

My earlier statements, especially from 2006 to 2010, were all carefully worded and quite clear, but no mention of seeing a transcript. I know why. It is because my source asked me to be diligent in keeping his identity secret. Talking about having seen a written transcript could easily have revealed his identity — not necessarily to the public, but perhaps to his colleagues or even other people I didn’t know about. Out of respect for his situation, I determined not to do that. 

Even so, when listening to some of the interviews I gave in the earlier years, I clearly referred to the transcript a couple of times. Probably the most telling is from an interview I did with Gene Steinberg of the Paracast on July 1, 2007. Giuliano found this one, for which I am grateful. During the conversation, I brought up the Wilson affair and ended the segment with this statement:

“What I believe is that we do have ultra-secret groups that have access to technology that is not made by human hands.

That remark, “not made by human hands,” is an obvious reference to the Davis notes, which no one else would see for nearly twelve years. 

This is an important piece of evidence. To those who claim the document is a hoax, they might want to consider how a document that I quoted in 2007 — and which came from the estate of Dr. Edgar Mitchell (as Davis has acknowledged) would be around for so long AS A HOAX? Let me guess. Shall we blame it on Richard Doty? 

I am very glad that for whatever reason I decided to slyly quote the document. No one knew that I was, but I certainly was quoting it. In fact, I would argue that my statement in 2007 offers yet more solid evidence attesting to the reality and authenticity of the document. 

In any case, it turns out the first time I ever mentioned the Wilson affair was at the Crash Retrieval conference in Las Vegas, Nevada in early November 2006. Moreover, less than a week later, when I was back in Rochester, I did a local lecture at an area library and mentioned it again. Here are the slides I created for those lectures. You will see I got Wilson’s title wrong. He was Vice Director for Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs (VJ2, not J2). And it’s not clear that he told Steven Greer anything in the aftermath of the meeting. My guess is that he told Will Miller, who probably then told Greer. But I didn’t know about Miller back then, either. 

Still, these slides are from late 2006. 

Through 2007, I spoke quite a bit about this, as I traveled a lot that year. Major events in Laughlin Nevada, Milan Italy,  South of France, Roswell, the International MUFON Symposium, the X-Conference in Washington, DC, and the Crash Conference yet again later that year, all were venues in which I discussed this matter. I have not found these on Youtube, but I do know that I have DVDs of at least some of these and will try to replicate them.

In any case, no one can accuse me of hiding the information. I did not. But I did protect the identity of my source, as I continue to do. 

I slowed down a bit on the Wilson affair after that but continued on for a 2008 lecture I gave in the Bay Area for a “Conspiracy Con”. This lecture was on UFOs and 911–something unusual for me. This lecture is available on my Youtube Channel. There’s a young version of me at the podium and the slide I used. You can see it’s the same one I had been using previously, mainly because I didn’t have anything new to say on Wilson. Still, you can watch the lecture yourself and listen to the five-minute piece I had on him. (1:00:46 until 1:05:20).

Later that year I wrote a more or less official version of the affair for a small email list (run by Giuliano Marinkovic, whom I did not know much about). This was because Wilson had recently been approached by journalist Billy Cox and issued a flat denial about the matter. Well, he admitted to the meeting with Greer, Mitchell, and Miller, but nothing beyond that. As Wilson had told me in 2006, that part was all “poppycock.” Here is part of what I wrote for Giuliano’s list.

You will notice the basics of what I described are quite accurate and are reflected in the notes — which of course I did not have access to. All I had was my memory of that day in 2006 when I was told (and shown) about all this.

In my view, the next very interesting reference is from another interview I did with the Paracast. I did quite a few with Gene back then. This was from February 22, 2009. The audio link is available and you can easily listen. At around 1 hour and twenty minutes, I talk about Wilson. I nearly gave up the information about having read a transcript.

The part in red is most significant. I talk about the key source who “showed me [pause] how do I put this [pause] showed me information dealing with the person in the Joint Chiefs  reaction upon getting this information.”

It’s a bit of an awkward statement, but this was a radio interview, after all. I discussed my source who “showed me” … and then I stopped myself and actually said out loud “how do I put this,” because I realized I did not want to mention that I was shown a transcript of an interview. So I checked myself and merely said “showed me information.” But the next part is also significant, for I gave a bit more information about the transcript: “the person in the Joint Chiefs’ reaction upon getting this information.” 

Well, that is precisely what the Davis notes portray. Wilson is talking to Davis and giving him his reaction to the entire ordeal of searching for and being denied access to a Special Access Program charged with reverse-engineering ET tech. This interview was from 2009, a full decade before the notes emerged in public. 

I wrote about the Wilson affair in 2009 for the second volume of UFOs and the National Security State, where it gets roughly a full-page treatment. In 2010, we included a briefer version of it in A.D. After Disclosure

I have little doubt that I continued over the years to refer to what little I knew of the Thomas Wilson affair. Currently, I can’t find them, but I suspect a few more references are yet to be found. But Giuliano found that important interview I did with Jimmy Church in December 2018, just a few months before the whole thing blew up. 

I can’t remember the exact wording of how Jimmy asked his question, but it was about whether I had ever encountered something really incredible that I had never shared with the world. Immediately I referred to the Wilson notes. 

To my knowledge, this was the first time I explicitly mentioned having seen a transcript. I still would not give up my source, but I was getting tired of this story going nowhere, and I decided that I didn’t care if I mentioned I had actually read something. You will notice that even at that late date, when Grant Cameron had full possession of a genuine copy of the notes, I still didn’t know the author was Eric Davis. 

All in all, there are more than twenty instances in which I spoke about the Thomas Wilson saga, all before the leak of the notes in June 2019. With such a background, it should not be surprising that I would jump in front and support them. 

Again, I will just emphasize. The person who told me about all this in 2006, and who showed me the notes, was and is of impeccable stature, and was in a perfect position to have a copy of the notes. That is all I have said over the years, and until I get formal permission to reveal his identity, or until he is no longer with us, I won’t betray my promise. Having said that, there are a select few people with whom I have shared his identity. I did that because I trust them. 

Beyond that, I really just laugh when I think of how obvious an open secret this whole thing has been, and remains. Besides myself, I know of at least one other prominent researcher connected to the UFO field who was aware of this document, quite possibly for as many years as I have known about it. This person is of very high credibility. I strongly suspect there are others. And of course, among those people who have long been associated with Dr. Davis, the whole thing has been openly known among themselves since he wrote the notes in 2002. 

I recently was shown a “critique” of the document that pointed out an obvious error. The notes indicate that Wilson had met with General Michael Kostelnik in April-June 1997 about where to look for the SAP UFO programs, and that Kostelnik was director of the SAPs and Executive Secretary of SAP oversite in OSD’s OUSDAT in the Pentagon. But, the critic pointed out, Kostelnik had left the position two years earlier, in 1995. He was no longer in the OSD but back at the Air Force Material Command at Wright-Pat in Dayton, Ohio. Why use Kostelnik’s two-year-old knowledge of SAPs in the OUSDAT? Why didn’t Wilson talk to Kostelnik’s successor?

Well, in my five-hour interview with the insightful analyst, “Mr. X,” we discuss this. (forgive me for not knowing exactly where to find it). But the main rejoinder is that because this was not a formal government meeting — it was after all a private meeting between two people who had apparently never met before — we can infer a few things. Mainly, even though Wilson had undoubtedly been given sufficient bonafides about Davis to agree to meet with him, that does not mean he trusted him with everything. Why would he do that? There are many instances in the notes when Wilson declined to share information (“core secret”). He never shared the identity of the man who threatened his career. It’s entirely possible — although if Wilson takes this secret to the grave we may never know for sure — that he mentioned Kostelnik because he didn’t care to reveal the real man’s identity, even to Davis. 

There are a number of candidates. One would be Richard Williams, the Senior Review Group’s Executive Secretary at the time. Another would be Major General William F. Moore. Still others would be Noel Longmuir, John P. White, or John J. Hamre. We don’t know everything, and unless Wilson (or at least Davis, or perhaps someone close to him) talks, we may never get the full story. 

But at any rate it is certainly not outrageous to think that Wilson was playing a few cards close to his chest and would not give up everything to Davis.

Then again, it’s possible that Davis got something wrong while taking his notes — that is, if it wasn’t audio-recorded. 

More to the point, rather than trying to understand the document, some people appear to be interested only in debunking it. It’s a superficial way to go about the process, but attractive to some folks because they think that by finding “errors,” the document must therefore be invalidated. 


11 thoughts on “My Early References to the Wilson Affair, 2006-2018

  1. John_Bruno

    Excellent read! I do hope you have at least 2 backups of all your data, one of those being “Off Site” Even though I have a hot swappable RAID array, I also have a couple of External 16TB drives with my irreplaceable data in a fire safe at a undisclosed location :p

    Thank you Richard for all that you do!

  2. PressToDigitate

    Yes; you’ve always been a bright lad…

    This article should be re-written, in the second person, by someone known in Ufology, and disseminated by them throughout Facebook and other online UFO forums, etc., on your behalf. You, yourself, don’t need to get down in the weeds with the detractors on this, especially now that NYT has essentially rendered the question Moot.

    Its not the ‘last great revelation’ that warrants your focus, but the ‘next great revelation’. Of the operative factoids to come out of the Davis-Wilson document, after, “Yes, they have a crashed UFO they’re studying in secret” (which most of us have been cognizant of since we accepted that Roswell really happened), the “Biggies” are 1) There is NO evidence that the Joint Chiefs of Staff are given access, or are even aware of the program, NOR the civilian leadership at DOD appointed to represent the public, under the Constitution; 2) The Claim that ‘Abductions Don’t Exist’ that we *KNOW* to be False, almost, by itself, would ordinarily render this a non-serious encounter, unworthy of the Admiral’s time then, let alone ours, now, even though it actually took place; and, 3) Despite the accounts of Ben Rich, ARVs, TR-3Bs, etc., and incredible amounts of missing money, the cover story that “But, we couldn’t do much with it” they gave Wilson 18 years ago – then already 55 years after Roswell – is still being bandied about, today, as if that were even still possible. It’s Not – We can image individual *Atoms*.

    The First Issue must be addressed politically with lobbying and legislation, and is perhaps a major reason for the wholesale reorganization of the entire military space enterprise, as Pres. Trump has done in creating Space Force, and for Sen. Rubio’s curious report requirement. The Second Issue must be addressed by massively replicating Dr. Roger Leir’s work, as I’ve previously outlined, whereby more specimens of irrefutably Alien Technology can be accumulated *from Abductees* by a private Institute than those the government acknowledges having in its possession. The Third Issue must be addressed in Court, as I’ve previously outlined, by aggressive litigation against the Contractors of these secret programs, who are necessarily and undeniably engaging in fraud against the United States and against their shareholders. It doesn’t matter who in the government gave them “a wink and a nod” to do so, because *nobody has that authority* – and, whoever did, they go to prison right along with the Contractor executives who signed off on it.

    Unlike “Independence Day”, its not the crashed UFOs in some underground lab or warehouse that are most important. For us, its the *working* ones, still flying in and out of our atmosphere that matter. Theatrics aside, their comings and goings, and local points of origin, on or under the Earth, our Oceans, or on our Moon, need to be detected, located, monitored and tracked, in realtime, – by Humans outside the government. As I’ve previously outlined, there are non-RF modes of communication most likely used by the Aliens, which would also provide a means of detection and tracking, that could be developed into portable devices, as a tool for ‘Instrumental Ufology. Such detectors must be flown over Mt. Shasta, Archuleta Mesa, the Pyrenees, the Skinwalker Mesa, and other suspected ETUFO “bases” in drones or light aircraft, and placed at the seafloor entrance to Sycamore Knoll and Gran Carretera as Bathystats.

    Where FOIA documents are concerned, we have accepted the government’s excuse that “We looked, and we didn’t find anything” countless times over 50 years. If we’re bashful and indolent enough to accept this same answer as the final word on their analysis of the Crash Debris – – then, we all belong on “the ‘B’ Ark”…

    1. PressToDigitate

      RMD, FYI:

  3. Jay King

    My voracious collecting and reading of ufology texts makes me wonder if anyone out there on RDM has a copy of ‘Forsaken Poseidon’ ? I promise to only use it for good and to not redistribute it. You can feel free to DM me, there’s a very good chance I have something you’d find interesting to trade.

  4. Andromeda107

    Wow!!,Richard it really good that you kept all references to Wilson and were able to find them.Thanks for sharing this information with us. A lot those debunkers need to see this. I am not holding that Wilson is going to mention who threaten his career,he want even acknowledge the notes are real.Although he did same in the notes he would deny everything if he was ever asked about it,and that is exactly what he is doing.I will definitely watch the 2008 lecture.

  5. WickyBu

    Thank you Richard for that all encompassing sweep of your involvement with these revelatory notes and for bringing the story out into the open, bearing in mind the sensitive nature by which they had been obtained. I admire your adherence to confidentiality of sources when necessary. It just proves you are a man of your word and why so many of us trust your insights and words of wisdom.

  6. Robert McGwier

    Thank you for pointing all this out and doing the work to aid those of who came here for this kind of thing. You are the best in the community, to my mind, at assembling all the bits and pieces until you, and aiding us, get a gestält and build a logically consistent narrative always pointing out the lower likelihood components. You were the man who wrote two volumes of the national security state which is my reason for being here. Further, I remind you and everyone else that when given a chance to recommend books for people to read, Christopher Mellon recommended these books as crucial to understanding. I believe he used them to formulate his thoughts and move forward on his dangerous to reputation mission. Thank you as always.

  7. Craig Champion

    Great, comprehensive research, wherein, as time passes it becomes easier to “connect-the-dots.”

Leave a Reply