Hi Everyone.
This controversy snuck up on me and since I discussed this previously, I thought I wanted to restate a few things. I have a lot of respect for UAP Gerb, and I think Ross Coulthart has done excellent journalism in this field. And I know I’m probably putting myself out on a limb here, taking a very unpopular position, because it seems to me that Luis Elizondo has become something of a villain in this field. At least to many. But the idea that he is fronting a controlled disclosure operation is an argument that I believe has evidentiary and logical problems. Not that this is impossible, but as it has been stated, I think the argument leaves a lot to be desired. I tried to explain this as well as I can in this video. This is what I wrote for YouTube.
In this presentation, I examine the growing claim—advanced most recently by UAP Gerb in conversation with Ross Coulthart—that Luis Elizondo served as the public frontman for a James Clapper linked effort to control what Americans would be told about UAP. The alleged strategy was to acknowledge NHI and UFOs while keeping crash retrievals, reverse engineering, and the structure of the legacy programs hidden. I take this argument seriously, but test it against the evidence, the chronology, and its own internal logic. Why would officials deliberately revive a subject that ridicule had contained for decades? How does the theory account for Elizondo’s 2019 statement to Tucker Carlson that the government possessed UFO debris, four years before David Grusch, or for the Pentagon’s later campaign against him? This is a critical examination of an increasingly influential narrative, and of the growing tendency to turn complicated figures into heroes or villains before the evidence is complete.
UAP Gerb interview with Ross Couylthart: 
• UAP researcher: Lue Elizondo’s new role is…
Luis Elizondo’s 2019 Interview with Tucker Carlson: • Tucker Carlson tonight 5/31/19: UFOs- The…
I have a feeling many will not like that I am pushing back on some of these allegations. I have no skin in the game one way or another. But I believe the method of argumentation used here has several flaws.
Your thoughts?
Richard
ps. I just wrote an article on the 1968 article: UFO Hypotheses and Survival Questions. Not sure i will turn it into a video, but I will publish it here, probably early tomorrow. Many thanks to AG for pushing me on this.
Richard i am glad you are covering this. I saw some of the coulthart interviews. I am listening to you now. I will say that Clapper is not to be trusted which you talked about. He lied about something major, major and major. To congress. So to believe in him is just plain absurd on the face of it. Come on Richard…………:-) Why would i be trusting known liars and folks from the dark side? And Lou has been talking about being the uap czar is known and i have seen him literally say it on tv shows. I knew he was going to get that position for a while. And he will. I wonder if he will work with dr. phil? 🙂
I also think it sounds like the hillary clinton so called disclosure is indeed what happened in 2017. I mean, it is all military narratives. I know i don’t like bothering with any of that especially *Now*. I think it is the card that will be played soon enough.
The medium is the message and there are no ‘mediums’ out there i seem to feel much trust in.
I think crash retrievals and reverse engineering could be a whole topic that is for the audience of other nations, etc than for me, rita, citizen. 😉
One thing about the timing …………..All i can say is that right now in the u.s. and the world and the beginning of WWIII we are watching………It seems that uap talk from the gov’t makes a lot of sense. Throw that topic into the insanity right now. Let’s see how much more literally insane this country can get. I just thought of that movie District 9.
Keyhoe can’t be compared to the guys we are talking about now. It is obvious to me. I have seen him on video.
Can you get that Gerb person for an interview? That would be very interesting!
Oh i was commenting as you spoke so this is very disjointed………..Yikes! But i do think you did a good job at explaining your perspective on this and it is supremely important on a few levels.
Thank you Richard!
I am not being negative here, i am honestly appreciative that you did this now.
Unfortunately, as much as I admire Gerb, in this accounting, he is mistaken.
As Richard noted, there was never a plan by anyone to make Hillary Clinton the “Disclosure President”.
Any association to the phenomenon had much more to do with her husband’s interest in the subject being conflated with her.
Also, as Richard noted, Gerb’s timeline is mistaken.
We have to return to the AAWSAP and Dr. James Lacatski who reached out to Lue in 2008 after he was recommended by Jay Straton and Col. Karl Nell.
Both Lacatski and Elzondo have spoken publicly about their first meeting when Lacatski asked Lue his thoughts on UFOs?
Lue, according to both Lacatski and Lue himself shared that he had none. That he had never even thought about the subject.
Lacatski did recruit Lue, who was “Informerly,” loaned to AAWSAP under the Pentagon title of ATTIP.
It was between the years 2008 and 2010 when Lacatski had access to a Lockheed’s recovered craft, tasked to be transferred to Bigalow Areospace, that Lacatski claims he breached it open.
It was during these years that Lue had his first and only look and access to a retrieved craft.
After this experience and the failure of Lockheed to transfer the craft to Bigalow that in 2017 Lue resigned from the Pentagon and with Mellon’s assistance were able to release the first 3 videos.
Though Lue was strictly disinvowed by the Pentagon, in 2019, after a meeting with Senator Harry Reed that included Jay Straton, Karl Nell, George Knapp, and newly recruited David Grusch, did Reed publish an open letter vouching for Lue and the Pentagon was forced to retract their denile of Lues employment.
Grusch and Lue were and are friends. They worked together at the NRO and Space Force Command.
Grusch was recommended by Col. Karl Knell and recruited by Jay Straton to become their lead investigator for what would be the UAP Task Force that was signed into law in 2020.
According to Grusch, in an interview with Jesse Michael’s, the 2019 meeting with Harry Reed was his first exposure to interest in the phenomenon. He claimed to be a complete skeptic and remained as such until, after launching his investigation, he began being approached bywhistle-blowerss in the legacyy programs.
The plan to slow the rollout of Disclosure comes directly from Karl Kell, who wrote the controlled rollout program and presented it at the first Sol convention here in San Francisco. Lue had nothing to do with it. There was a 2nd author involved, though it was none of the principles that have been discussed to date.
As to a UAP Zar, no such position exists, nor would the Executive draw on anyone with ties to the Military for any such position given the optics of having any former military intelligence personnel in charge of triaging clasified UAP material.
For the foreseeable future, Luna’s Task Force will serve going forward.
Allan Lavigne Former A.P.R.O Investigator 1974-1980
That’s right.
Stick to your guns man.
That’s what I’m here for.
Lue’s praise of Clapper a known liar, doesn’t instill confidence in his behavior, Clapper
is a pos and is Lue’s handler, he can’t open his mouth without checking with his boss
why did it take a year to publish imminent, they sent a message we will let you print
what we allow. Also him being the Torture Czar isn’t a plus for me as someone with
high moral standards. One can redeem ones soul and walk a more righteous path
but my granny always said you are who you associate with or lie with dogs and you’ll
come up with fleas
I have to agree that Elizondo’s involvement with Camp Seven has always disturbed me. I have no doubt that there is genuine moral complicity in the work he did there. Although I have never seen evidence linking him personally to acts of torture. Could have happened of course, since we know torture went on there. So even though I look at his UFO related statements one way, I understand why many people have problems with Elizondo over this aspect of his background. I still believe he is telling the truth on what he knows about UAP, as far as he’s allowed to, and I don’t think he’s trying to engage in a controlled narrative the way Gerb argues, but this other part of his background can easily cause many to dismiss him out of hand. This is the world we live in, unfortunately.
Hi Richard I’m not sure what you mean when you say that this is the world that we live in unfortunately. I don’t know if you’re referring to the fact that someone like Lou is in charge of the UFO just blows your mind orwhether people are tortures and that’s unfortunate in our world.
You don’t seem to understand Richard what a sociopath is I suggest you look it up and I’m very serious. You seem to think it’s like somebody is zero morality in one area but in another area they’re 100% morality. It don’t work that way I’m sorry I’ve been in this business for 35 years if you want to bring me a psychologist a clinical one who’s been working with individuals from all walks of life for the past say 30 years I’ll gladly respond to them on this topic okay?
To quote Bob Dylan let us not talk falsely now the hour is getting late. And I heard the news today so I know how late it is at this moment in history.Thanks I’m not pissed I’m just fed up..
Hi Rita. Not sure that’s what I was saying. I’m just saying that expecting morality from most people who have worked in the kind of job Lue has worked in is probably barking up the wrong tree. The fact is he is in the UAP community. He has had things to say. Most, if not all, of the things he has said are true. Or strike me as true at least. My number one concern in this field is simply trying to obtain relevant and useful information. In my opinion, he has offered quite a bit in the time that we have known about him. I’ve also met him personally and his family. I think everyone is complex. Calling someone you’ve never met a sociopath does strike me as probably questionable. Not saying it’s impossible to diagnose someone remotely, but you must know as well as I do that people are complex. There’s usually not a simple explanation to any single person out there. But all of that is aside from the fact of whether or not he has given truthful information to the world about this subject. I am of the opinion that he has. That’s not to defend him, that’s not to exonerate him from any misdeeds of his past. And yes, this is the world we live in.